| University | Students | Campuses | 2006 | 2007 | 2008 |
| Monash Vic | 55,000* | 6 | 12th | 4th | 7th |
| Sydney NSW | 46,054 | 3 | 5th | 7th | 2nd |
| QUT Qld | 39,919 | 4 | 17th | 11th | 19th |
| Curtin WA | 39,100* | 1 | |||
| Uni of Queensland Qld | 37,518 | 3 | 2nd | 1st | |
| Griffith Qld | 37,000* | 4 | 18th | 17th | |
| UNSW NSW | 36,789 | 1 | 9th | 3rd | |
| Uni of Western Sydney NSW | 35,061 | 6 | 16th | ||
| RMIT Vic | 34,107 | 3 | 13th | ||
| Deakin Vic | 34,043 | 5 | 10th | ||
| Melbourne Vic | 33,639 | 1 | 3rd | 9th | 4th |
| Charles Sturt Uni NSW | 33,251 | 6 | 19th | ||
| UTS NSW | 32,708 | 4 | 20th | 14th | |
| Uni of SA SA | 32,187 | 4 | 15th | ||
| Macquarie NSW | 31,660 | 1 | 1st | 2nd | 5th |
| Latrobe Uni Vic | 28,000* | 3 | 17th | 9th | |
| Uni Sthn Queensland Qld | 26,174 | 3 | |||
| Central Qld Uni Qld | 26,000* | 5 | |||
| Victoria University Vic | 23,600 | 5 | |||
| Newcastle NSW | 22,827 | 3 | 4th | 8th | |
| UWA WA | 22,419 | 1 | 11th | 10th | 6th |
| Wollongong NSW | 22,044 | 2 | 18th | ||
| Edith Cowan Uni WA | 20,605 | 3 | 12th | ||
| Charles Darwin Uni NT | 20,098 | 5 | |||
| Southern Cross NSW | 18,902 | 4 | |||
| Adelaide SA | 18,385 | 1 | 6th | 14th | 3rd |
| Uni of New England NSW | 17,896 | 1 | |||
| James Cook Qld | 15,756 | 2 | |||
| Flinders SA | 15,110 | 1 | 10th | 12th | 1st |
| Uni of Tasmania Tas | 15,050 | 2 | 8th | 5th | |
| Swinburne Vic | 14,481 | 2 | |||
| Aus Catholic Uni National | 13,032 | 6 | |||
| Aus National Uni ACT | 12,482 | 1 | 7th | 6th | 15th |
| Murdoch WA | 12,400* | 3 | 13th | 15th | 11th |
| Ballarat Vic | 10,500* | 4 | 14th | 13th | 16th |
| Uni of Canberra ACT | 9,000* | 1 | |||
| Notre Dame WA | 6,000* | 3 | |||
| Uni of Sunshine Coast Qld | 5,833 | 1 | |||
| Bond Qld | 3,200* | 1 |
There's no consistency at all with these results - we have larger unis with a weak team (or no team at all) and we have small unis with successful teams. There's also the obstacle of different campuses - generally ultimate is based at one campus of a university, and the only cases of multi-campus involvement that I know of involve players who play ultimate anyway. They weren't recruited to the game through their university. However it is definitely an option teams should consider in the future, particularly unis with multiple campuses in the same city. Spare a thought though for CSU, who is spread out right across New South Wales, and ACU which spans four states.
Recruiting from other campuses is certainly a strategy Ballarat is going for next year. Our team is based out of the Mount Helen campus, yet we have Camp Street, Horsham and Ararat to draw from. We also have a luxury many other unis don't - Uni of Ballarat is also a TAFE provider, so we can also draw from another few thousand students at the SMB campus. It's all about finding and taking advantage of the opportunities.
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ANU also has less undergraduate students than postgrad, which makes recruiting more of a pain in the butt too. It does mean that we are more likely to get postgrad frisbee players however...
QUT now only has 3 campuses 2 in the city and cabolture. Stuff it if i am driving an hour to go to the 2 building campus. And carseldine has just been sold so there goes most of our sporting fields even though they were about 40 mins out of town.
As for numbers it really should look at availability of fields. And having to spread your focus over 1 or more campuses even of they are a free bus trip away.
oh and look at the unis that offer medicine and other long winded courses. I know there are a lot of student doctors on the UQ team. That and lifetime students.
Hi there
Swinburne has 6 campuses in Australia and one in Malaysia. See http://www.swinburne.edu.au/campuses/.
Still a small uni, though.
Like Jangles said, field access and convenience is an indicator. Perhaps this is also an indicator of the Uni's general attitude to sport too.
A second intangible is international students. International students who are Ultimate players are likely to have a big impact upon your Club. Although often short-term (a semester or two), international students are often more commited to the Club than others, because they're looking to meet lots of people and socialise, and also tend not to have to need a job.
I should add "Go to the International Student's O-Day" to my list of things Uni Clubs can do. Not sure if that helps you much in Ballarat though.
Thanks for the shout-out.
I don't know the details of the Australian college ultimate series, but your data is interesting. My only comment would be that, yes, size doesn't seem to matter, except that the really small schools, let's say 10,000 students and under, still don't place high at your college series. And there are very few schools under or around 5,000 students, comparable to a liberal arts school in America (I go to a school of 1,500, for example). I guess my point is that, yes, at a certain point size doesn't matter all that much, whether you have 40,000 students or 15,000, odds are you're going to get enough people out for the ultimate team, but that doesn't mean the playing field is equaled for teams from *really* (comparatively) small schools. I should do a comparison for the United States and see if this idea holds true. What I do know, just by looking at US nationals qualifiers for the past few years, is that except for Carleton College, there are very few small schools represented-- most are large, public universities. I also guess it depends on what you define as a "small" school...
Also, I think your point that other factors (club teams, etc) play a role is also important, and I've been trying to address those issues, which I think are related in complicated ways, on my blog. It looks like the Australian system offers up its own complications, like the presence of international students or universities with multiple campuses.
What's the correlation coefficient? Let's get some real stats going...
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